Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Threats and demands

From the Daily Mail, 'moderate' Muslims using the threat of terror as a bargaining tool:
Muslim leaders summoned to talks with the Government on tackling extremism in their midst called for public holidays to mark their religious festivals.

The Whitehall meeting was set up in response to last week's airline bomb plot discovery.

Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly had prepared an uncompromising message on the need to tackle dangerous radicalism.

But, in what she admitted were 'sharp' exchanges, some senior Muslim figures turned the tables yesterday and made a series of demands which also included the introduction of Sharia law for family matters.

Dr Syed Aziz Pasha, secretary general of the Union of Muslim Organisations of the UK and Ireland, said: 'We told her if you give us religious rights, we will be in a better position to convince young people that they are being treated equally along with other citizens.'

Dr Pasha said Miss Kelly had agreed to look at the proposals, though her spokesman insisted later that she did not favour any legal change which would give 'special treatment' for the Muslim community.

Some of the 30 moderate Muslim leaders at the meeting told Miss Kelly that important days in their two main religious festivals - Ramadan and Eid-ul-Adha - should be made public holidays for followers of the faith.

Sharia law, which is practised in large parts of the Middle East, should also be introduced in Britain, they argued. While it specifies stonings and amputations as routine punishments for crimes, Dr Pasha said he wanted it only for family affairs.
For now anyway. The stonings and amputations can come a bit later.

I'll say it once again - this is not an Islamic country. If there are Muslims who don’t like this fact they should fuck off and live somewhere else, and it’s time our politicians started saying as much.


Blogger Charles Martel said...

the more i think about it, the more i realise that sending Ruth Kelly really is a subtle "fuck off".

she's a member of Opus Dei.


10:16 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sharia Law? You'll have civil war in Britain.

10:41 am  
Blogger Man in a shed said...

First comes the tough talk from the government, then come the concessions (a bit latter ).

I wonder what they will be and what they will cost the majority of us ?

10:57 am  
Blogger permanentexpat said...

Where are the solutions to this awful & growing problem of militant Islam?
Brain-washed kids who want to blow us to kingdom-come can literally bring the country to a transportation standstill & cost the secular public millions of pounds.
The secular sheep (public) does the stiff-upper-lip bit....and does nothing else.
Have you really not had enough of this crap? Where are the nationwide demonstrations against this creeping Islamic tyranny of disruption...and worse? This cancer will surely be your death unless it is cut out...and quickly.
Radical Islam demands radical solutions. It doesn't recognize your culture, nor your laws...but you restrain yourselves from what you must know to be correct solutions to the problem...because it might be construed as 'illegal'.....so bloody what.
It is no wonder that other religions keep a VERY LOW PROFILE in predominantly Muslim countries. I am still waiting to see Christians & others causing havoc & making demands in Saudi Arabia.
As a spectator I am appalled to watch the Septic Isle's knee-bending cowardice to religious thugs. It's nothing short of national suicide.

12:00 pm  
Blogger Guardian apostate said...

It beggars belief that as part of a discussion with government as to how to tackle the problem of radical Islam these 'leaders' effectively demand (extort) these 'religious rights'. Although I was relatively relaxed with a modest amount of immigration the extent to which it's mushroomed under this government is scandalous. The problem with Islam is merely the one with the highest profile where immigation is concerned. As permanentexpat pointed out, what do we do? Vote Labour out? Of course but who do you vote in to replace them? March and demonstrate? Again yes but what would we march and demonstrate for? A march against Islam? Well I'd be at the front of the queue but it wouldn't work. It would merely act as a rallying point for all the liberal, left, marxist 'anti-racists'. They could then happily plunge their heads even further into the sand and convince themselves they were fighting facism, racism etc. Maybe if the government were to be tempted into allowing concessions that this in itself could be the spark that ignites the resistance? All I know is I'm ready for action if anyone has any suggestions.

1:06 pm  
Blogger permanentexpat said...

'Guardian Apostate'
......love that handle :-)

Strange bedfellows: Nobody can gainsay that the USSR was the major player in WW2 & that it was mandatory that we were allied with them...we could not have won without them. They were no better than the Nazis, in many ways worse but they were necessary. Later, during the Cold War, we had to 'defeat' them as well.
So, back to your question about voting for whom.
The Torys are 'wet' & will remain so, and a mirror of Labour, until they adopt a program of guts.
UKIP who should, if they have a brain, be getting their act together & 'cashing in' on popular discontent(?).
It grieves me to say that only the awful & unpleasant radical Right have the guts to tell it how it is.
We are fighting a war of survival &, as in WW2, if it is expedient to have these people (BNP & affiliates) as temporary allies it should be considered carefully...and quickly. Time is running out.

1:41 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

guardian apostate - the problem is, the English are passive and easily cowed. What they need are some real riots, but they won't because they fear being tarred with socialist lies of "racist". I mean, who gives a monkey's what epithets a loathsome socialist throws at you?

When are people going to understand that the Left is fascist - not only in deed, but they're thought fascists, which is another phrase for "politically correct". Politically correct according to whose philosophy? The philosphy of the Left, of course!

But the fascists are in government and they're in Whitehall and they're running the police. Britain is infested with fascists and has been since WWI.

That is what has to be slaughtered. The Muslim garbage in France demanded a millet after the riots last Christmas. The French government, which we think of as cowardly and submissive, told them to fuck off. The French have a strong, not to say overweening, sense of national identity.

Blair and his slithy toves have worked at destroying ours. They have pulled up the roots of Britain and tossed them aside. There is no sustenance for our national identity. I despise the British because they let it happen. They could surely see what Tony Blair and Jack Straw were, but they thought they were going to get more "benefits" so they voted for them anyway. THREE TIMES!

They sold their country for 30 pieces of silver. As far as I'm concerned, they can live with it. Carry on cringing, creeps!

1:51 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

I despair at the stupidity of British voters too - how COULD they vote Blair and Noo Labour back in? I bloody well didn't vote for NL. Wake UP cretins!

2:15 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

I want to see Islam reclassified as a cult. Then outlawed.

2:26 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

Verity - I agree with your comments (elsewhere on this blog) re: every mosque having to go under suveillance - I thought the same thing myself.

2:31 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

Actually, la boheme, what I said was, after a terrorist outrage or, frankly, even a threat, there should be what the power companies in the US refer to as a "cold lockdown". That means everything, every. single. thing. shut down.

There should be a cold lockdown of mosques, meaning they cannot function in any way whatsoever. No one except the police can enter. Padlocks on doors and windows. Police guarding them.

This would send a message - although, to be candid, I'm sick of all this "sending a message"; why don't we just act? - to the Islamowackos: We are in charge. You are here by tolerance, so STFU and you won't get hurt.

Every mosque should be gone through with a fine,fine tooth comb. Meaning walls checked for false partitions, floorboards pulled up, cushions ripped open, ceilings hammered through searching for hidden cavities, etc. No mosque re-opened until they had all been examined in minute detail. The ones that passed as being clean, OK, let them re-open.

The ones that had anything suspicious on their premises, sorry, you're disqualified from being a mosque. Sign on the door (in English): CLOSED BY ORDER OF THE HOME OFFICE OF GREAT BRITAIN. Home Office to hire a (non-Muslim) moving company to clear the mosque out and put all their junk in secure storage.

These people have got to understand who is in charge of this country.

2:56 pm  
Anonymous Rog said...

Verity - I agree with you, but please remember not all of us Brits are stupid enough to vote for Tony and his slithy toves.

Personally I detest them, everything they stand for, and their cretinous apologists.

It will be "interesting" to see what the most useless, destructive, craven government the UK has had in living memory will do about the "moderate" muslim demands. And Islam in general.

I reckon there will some sort of committee set up and concessions made at a later date.

PS: Does "moderate" now mean "not actually personally bombed anyone"?

2:58 pm  
Blogger permanentexpat said...

"Breathes there a man with soul so dead
Who never to himself hath said
'This is MY OWN, MY native land'"

Too damned right, The Septic Isle is crawling with them.

Shame, shame on you!

3:22 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

rog - Yes, a moderate can scream through the streets of our capital, face contorted with rage, calling for the death of Britain. But if they have not personally bombed anyone, you are correct. They are "moderates".

You say not everyone votes Labour. No. But people are dropping away from the Tories like dead flies and will continue to do so as long as happy-clappy, multi-culti, green, inclusive Dave is at the wheel.

At the same time, I think John Reid has just rescued the Labour Party. Saved it from itself. Prescott, Gordo and Tony have an air of yesterday's men after Reid's performance last week. So, unfortunately, does happy-clappy, hippy-dippy Dave.

People who were going to desert Labour may not now do so. Tories will continue to flee Dave.

If the BNP would only field a couple of conservative black candidates, the Brits would feel able to vote for them with a clear conscience. They have made some very good decisions during the past year. This would be an astute move. Politics is all about pragmatism.

3:26 pm  
Anonymous Rog said...

Alas the BNP is a socialist party - despite all the guff from the BBC/left calling them "right-wing".

I can see a LOT of Brits voting for them next time though.

If Labour get in again, I fear I will seriously consider joing the ever-growing ranks of Brits emigrating from our socialist dystopia.

3:45 pm  
Blogger Guardian apostate said...

La Boheme, it's worth remembering that the Tories got more votes in England than old Labour in the last election. In fact, as a percentage of the total eligible to vote Labour got something like 22%. Hardly a ringing endorsement. In my experience, if people are given at least some of the facts, it makes them sit up and think. That's what they don't get enough of. Anyone in the media, in the broadest possible sense of the word, who even attempts to discuss immigration immediately becomes a 'racist, 'a bit right wing' or even, in the case of Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch, when talking about the changing face of the East End, in very measured tones I might add, have your views likened to that of a Nazi. That was done by a Muslim Labour MP, whose name escapes me but it may well have been Shahid Malik most likely one of these who recently attempted to blackmail the UK into changing it's foreign policy.

Permanentexpat, I agree with regards to the BNP. Regardless of their past history I'm willing to take them for what they say and do now. All in all their policies in relation to immigration seem fairly sensible and not at all extreme (anyone who's not sure what they are would do well to avoid the lies and distortions in the press and check them out for themselves). That's where I'd draw the line though. The National Front are just gripped by hatred and although, when I occasionally dip into their forum, I have some sympathy for the causes of their anger and frustration, they do generally seem to be driven by an intense dislike of any non-whites. That's not my position at all and I might add the BNP either. My main problem with the BNP is that they're a party of largely 'left wing' policies apart from their stance on immigration. Having said that I sometimes find it hard to understand the complexities of economic policies and their benefits or otherwise. What is true though is that we need a political focus for all of this and it doesn't seem likely to be possible with the LibLabCon artists.

3:57 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

I realise that the BNP are socialists, but politics is the art of the pragmatic, and the BNP's most firmly held belief, I belief, is England for the English. They should certainly be able to stretch it to including Hindus, Sikhs and W Indians as being "English", now that they have been here so long and do not keep themselves apart.

I think Dave has lost the next election for the Tories, unless they dump him really fast and put a heavyweight like David Davis in. Now would be a good time to do it. Labour couldn't crow because their own succession is now such a dog's breakfast. Will it be the foul Gordon, who appears to have been totally sidelined? Will it be Reid who has, in effect, executed a daring coup? When oh when oh when the hell is Tony going?

Now is the time to cut Dave free and install David. While Labour's in such a mess that they couldn't make political hey out of it.

4:13 pm  
Anonymous Rog said...

Verity, yet again I totally agree.

As it stands, the Conservatives won't win the next election, Davis is by far the preferred candidate - precisely why the BBC gave him such a hard time during the leadership election.

4:20 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

Guardian Apostate - thanks for comments. I did realise that the Tories got more votes in England and that NL are only in power thanks to Scotland.

Agree with Verity (and others') observations re: Dave.

I don't know - get Anne Widdecombe installed as leader of the Tories - at least she's true to herself.

4:33 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

la boheme - so is David Davis - and true to his roots.

I cannot bring myself to vote Tory as long as Dave is mincing along on a bike.

4:43 pm  
Blogger David said...

Gordon Brown hasn't been sidelined - he's hiding as he does whenever anything happens that might need strong leadership or an example.

5:38 pm  
Anonymous Verity said...

david - I don't agree. I realise that he always disappears when there's a major event, but this time, his disappearance looked like fright. He didn't know how to cope with either a terror threat or John Reid. He won't be able to emerge from this with any power intact.

I think Reid pulled off a palace coup. Gordon's waited 10 years for nothing. Oh! Is it cruel to laugh?

5:57 pm  
Blogger Dagenham Dave said...

Fine, if the Muslims want a holiday OK, but why not one FOR US on October 7th - LEPANTO DAY to celebrate the defeat of the Caliphate by the Catholic League or VIENNA DAY on the 12th September to celebrate the Ottomans getting a kicking in 1683

That should shut the whining bastards up.

10:05 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous...civil war in Britain?
I doubt it..too many apathetics and loony lefties in this country.
We need a John Howard or a Pym Fortuyn, maybe John Reid might fit the bill, but like Tony Blair he'd be held back by the same miserable rabble of so called "rebel back benchers"
There's only the BNP who dare to speak patriotic language, but are they the answer?

10:16 pm  
Anonymous Clematis Fraudster said...

If elements of Sharia were introduced onto the statute book, it could create merry hell.

Take an example: imagine if legislation were passed allowing a Muslim man to take up to four wives.

Then, imagine if a non-Muslim decided that he too wanted four wives. If refused, there would have to be grounds for him to challenge this under human rights legislation, surely?

If Ruth Kelly has any sense, she will do one of two things. She will tell them to, well, just fuck right off. Alternatively, as she should, she will put any proposed changes to the law before Parliament. Hopefully, MPs would tell them to, well, just fuck right off.

Laws that allow special treatment for Muslims would be patently discriminatory - unless, of course, Infidels were afforded the same rights too. Either way, it's a bonkers idea and further evidence, if it were needed, that Muslim 'leaders' are complete fuckwits and do not seem to understand the notion of equality, human rights, democracy, etc.

11:48 pm  
Blogger the adventuress said...

Sharia, even if only applied to "family law" would be a disaster for Britain. The Indians allow it for their Muslims and it causes all kinds of problems for the population of Indian at large, including non-muslims.

For example, take their easy divorce. The man says "talaq" three times and poof! marriage over. The man owes the woman her dowry (if he gave her one) and three months "spousal support" -- and that's it. For the average illiterate Muslim peasant woman imported from Bangladesh, with 7 or 8 kids dangling from her apronstrings, this means she and her kids will be wards of the welfare state forever -- and you'll ALL pay the costs, not just the Muslims of course.

Then there's polygamy. In addition to being an affront to a long-established Western cultural practice, with modern "family reunification laws" it would be an unmitigated demographic disaster for Britain. Imagine Ali or Hussain importing four cousin-brides from Bangladesh instead of just one. Each "new Briton" proceeds to have 5 or 6 kids, and the grown-up sons then import in turn another four cousin-brid. Poof! Your country is over and done with in a matter of a few years. Please fight back, please don't let this happen.

4:44 am  

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