Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Orla Guerin - Busted!

Two reports from Bint Jbeil from yesterday's news, one from Orla Guerin on the BBC (watch the full report here**) and the other from Alex Thomson on Channel 4 News (click here to view. Window Media Player only. 2 mins in.) (Added emphasis mine in all spoken extracts)

First this sequence from Orla Guerin on the BBC (approx 2:30 in).

"We've been walking for a few minutes now. The damage here is absolutely incredible."
Camera pans round to Guerin.

"I haven’t seen a single building that isn't damaged in some way. Many have been flattened, many have been singed. This town has really been wiped out."


And now Alex Thomson on Channel 4 News.

"As you can see, the centre of the town destroyed on a really wholesale scale, more so than since the last civilians left here, though it has to be said that on the outskirts, the suburbs - pretty much untouched by the Israeli attack and invasion."
Cut to a shot across the valley which then pans to the street they're on.

"Across the valley, the outer areas of town virtually intact. The central streets, though, in a pitiful state."
Note the building at end of the street to which we've just panned because we're heading there in a minute.

There are then a couple of cut-away segments, one of Red Cross workers collecting a dead body and one of Thomson looking at a child's schoolbook. We then rejoin him at the end of the above street, turning left up the hill. (Note - this is beyond the car to the left of the red arrow above.)

Look familiar? (Click to enlarge):



And just to prove it's the same spot:


'A' is from the long shot of the street in Thomson's film (the one with the red arrow in the image above), 'B' shows Thomson rounding the corner, and 'C' is from the Guerin footage.


Same van, same building. We are at the same place where Guerin said: "We've been walking for a few minutes now. The damage here is absolutely incredible. I haven’t seen a single building that isn't damaged in some way. Many have been flattened, many have been singed. This town has really been wiped out."

But thanks to Alex Thomson's report we now know that Guerin has just walked up the same street as him, the one with the view across the valley to "the outer areas of town virtually intact". At the same time Guerin was saying "This town has really been wiped out", she could look over her cameraman's shoulder and see this:

Guerin is clearly talking rubbish. She wants the viewers to think that the entire town has been destroyed because that fits far better with her anti-Israeli message. She continues:
"The more we walked the worse it got. 7,000 people used to live here. The international community may well ask how Israel can explain all this in the name of fighting Hezbollah."
Let's just hope the international community doesn't rely on Guerin's wilfully misleading reports for evidence.

At times the piece sounds like a political broadcast on behalf of Hezbollah. Here are some more snippets:
Here in the south of Lebanon no-one doubts that Hezbollah won this war... (they) told me that they’d had to live as refugees for a month but Hezbollah had made them proud... In a month of fighting, Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah - probably not how its ally the United States expected things to turn out. For George Bush this is a bad chapter in the war on terror... To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory...”
When her team find one of Hezbollah's anti-tank guns mounted on a jeep, she offers no insight into its origins. Was it Iranian? The question doesn't occur to her. She's only interested in the weapon for its symbolic value:
"It’s with weapons like this that Hezbollah did battle against one of the most powerful armies in the world."
Iain Dale thinks the BBC should sack Guerin just on the basis of the lack of objectivity shown in this report. I'm inclined to agree, but this goes beyond mere bias - that's par for the course for the BBC. Here Guerin has knowingly given a false impression of the destruction of Bent Jbeil for the purpose of further demonising Israel in the eyes of the "international community".

Yes she should be fired. The BBC will probably promote her.


Update 9pm. From a David Rowan interview with Orla Guerin in the Evening Standard, December 10, 2003:
"I would only be concerned if it was established that I made a mistake about a matter of fact," she says. "People's subjective perceptions of me I pay no attention to. They will hear what they want to hear. What people are saying is not, 'We want you to be fair and impartial', but, 'We want you to be on our side'. And we're not on anybody's side."
No, fair and impartial will do just fine. This report is neither.

From the same interview:
Even before she has sipped her caffe latte, Guerin has questioned Israel's claim to be a democracy, compared its press freedom with Zimbabwe's, and accused its officials of paranoia.
Oh, and just for the record, she's married to Michael Georgy:"And he's not Palestinian." However, he does work for (ahem) Reuters.

(Also, her name is an anagram of "a ruin ogler". This is not in the Standard interview, though.)

**Further update 10.15pm. The Guerin report is now available at You Tube thanks to Grimer, who is building a great library of BBC stuff (and check out the tags for Guerin).


Update August 16, 11am: "the Orla Guerin piece has caused a stir in editorial meetings". Link.

Update August 22. More updates.

77 Comments:

Anonymous Verity said...

Send this to Biased-BBC.

4:37 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

God she's ugly as well.

4:37 pm  
Blogger AntiCitizenOne said...

Top work DFH!

4:48 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The BBC will probably promote her."

well in the last month she has reported from the Congo & RSA.

One is left with the impression that she demanded that the BBC return her to where she could do her best work, supporting the enemies of democracy, & the BBC duly sent her.

4:53 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice catch DFH!

The liar is banged to rights.

4:56 pm  
Anonymous Clematis Fraudster said...

Her looks and personal opinions are irrelevant.

This piece of reporting makes no attempt at balance - Guerin's role should be one of a disinterested observer.

The report simply not good enough and does not meet the BBC's standards of impartiality and balance. She should be removed from Lebanon.

5:21 pm  
Blogger AnyonebutBlair said...

I've had quite enough of the BBC and its apalling Gruniad-like bias, so in the spirit of direct action (and for a laugh) I've lodged a formal complaint with the BBC, but don't hold your breath for a positive response:
"In two separate news pieces from Orla Guerin in Bint Jbeil in Lebanon yesterday she gave a biased anti-israeli and anti-american commentary disguised as news, in fact based on the attached weblink, her commentary was misleading if not downright untruthful
http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/08/orla-guerin-busted.html
It goes further e.g. "In a month of fighting, Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah - probably not how its ally the United States expected things to turn out. For George Bush this is a bad chapter in the war on terror"
How can Olra say this? What does beating Hezbollah look like? On what basis can she make such observations? Has she asked George Bush or one of his spokesmen if this is a "bad chapter" or is it just Orla's opinion? A very shoddy piece of journalism.
Will be BBC take any action to remove this obviously biased reporter from the news programmes?
Will the BBC apologise for what is clearly a misleading if not untruthful storyline?
I await your rejection of this and your self-justification with interest"

5:30 pm  
Anonymous Dave said...

Excellent expose, well done. I am disgusted by the bias shown by the BBC in covering the Israel/Lebanon/Hezbollah conflict, I can't believe my taxes go towards paying for the filth they purvey!

5:32 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

Anyonebutblair - don't hold your breath for a response - let alone a positive one. Good luck though.

Clematis Fraudster - yes I know her looks are irrelevant - but I nevertheless enjoyed making the (facile) observation.

5:56 pm  
Anonymous Clematis Fraudster said...

la boheme - that was not a dig at you. Gratuitous insults are fun and should be encouraged.

George Galloway is a fat, baldie twat, for instance. He looks like Ron Jeremy's ugly brother.

And yes, Orla the Killer Wailer is a bit rough. She has one of those faces that could be attractive but she has spent so many years being 'angry' that she wears a permanent, ugly scowl.

6:31 pm  
Anonymous Mick in Brum said...

Chalk up another one to the Blogosphere!

6:44 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

Clematis Fraudster - I just love gratuitous insults (except when aimed at me).

George Galloway is a fat, baldie twat with the sex appeal of one of Ken Livingstone's newts.

It has been said that Orla the mauler's husband is Palestinian - do you think he makes her wear the veil or does he don it himself (well wouldn't you if you had to look at that face every day?)

Next on my list is John Prescott - writer of the most gratuitous insult (about him) wins a night of passion (or a 20 second grope - whichever is longer).

6:58 pm  
Anonymous La Boheme said...

I should clarify - wins a night of passion or 20 second grope with...John Prescott.

7:04 pm  
Blogger behaimah said...

Great work Ace. Well picked up.

However, if I may paraphrase from Oliver Stone’s JFK, isn’t all this sort of stuff a bit of a red herring? Shouldn’t we be asking WHY is there such a bias? WHY does this bias seem to always be against Israel? WHY is it acceptable to be so anti-Jewish and cloak it in anti-Zionism, a movement which by definition is non-existent? (Zionism was a movement with the purpose of setting up a Jewish state. Well, in case anyone hasn’t noticed – been and done)

8:03 pm  
Blogger Man in a shed said...

Spot on - makes the BBC look like idiots. (OK not hard to do). I hope they hate that and do something about her.

8:06 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Iain Dale thinks the BBC should sack Guerin just on the basis of the lack of objectivity shown in this report."

You HAVE to be kidding. Don't you know that's what they have to do to get promotions?

ytba

8:33 pm  
Blogger Dagenham Dave said...

Of course it's a mess, it's a fucking war!!! We bombed 44,000 French civilians to death in the conquest of Normandy in 1944 and they were on our side( allegedly) At least the Nazis had the guts to fight like men and not hide behind women and children.

Still, in those days the BBC did propaganda for the good guys, not the Nazis.

10:00 pm  
Anonymous rkjfyoung said...

How thoroughly destroyed do you pro-Israelis like your towns to be then? Remember Lidice? Remember Glane-sur-Oradour? The names may ring a few bells with the few of you who know anything. They too were examples of collective punishment handed out against civilians who happpened to share home twons and nationality with people branded as "terrorists" - or, ho-hum, heroic resistance fighters, depending on your point of view. George Bush talked about Islamic fascists. Seems to me he doesn't know much about Islam, nor much about fascism. I won't be so wonky as to call Israelis fascists (Lidice, Glane and other razed villages and twons were the work of Nazis anyway, not fascists) but maybe, if the cap fits.....

10:33 pm  
Anonymous rkjfyoung said...

Dagenham Dave,
I suppose you were in the Second World War then if you can assert that the "Nazis fought like men and did not hide behind women and children". In fact the German military were just as interested in self-preservation as any other army under fire, and did not care at whose expense they sought shelter. Don't they do history books in Dagenham?

10:38 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've sent this off to the Six O'Clock news editor. No reponse. Surprise Surprise.

In contrast the Newsnight Editor always replies, and promptly.

Guess it's beyond justification.

10:54 pm  
Blogger ceci n'est pas mon nom said...

There's no contradiction between the two reports. Guerin is speaking about the town, the urban agglomeration, Thomson mentions the sub-urbs, the districts near to the town (that is the meaning of the word), accross the valley as you say. Perhaps Guerin could have mentioned them too, but what is the news here? Is it that the suburban districts didn't get destroyed (wouldn't we expect this in any case?) or is it that urban districts were "destroyed on a really wholesale scale" (Thomson)?

All of the people you quote in support have got an anti-BBC agenda, and their opinion must be understood in this context. Some of the allegations made against this organisation are breathtaking in their groundlessness. Your commenter "behaimar" hits (unwittingly, to be sure)the nail right on the head: "Shouldn’t we be asking WHY is there such a bias? WHY is it acceptable to be so anti-Jewish and cloak it in anti-Zionism?" Exactly, we should be asking such questions: it suffices to pose them in order to realise their absurdity.

11:06 pm  
Blogger B0Z said...

Great post! Thanks for the work and kudos for being linked on lgf.

11:25 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This needs to be forwarded to your MP's asap.

11:30 pm  
Anonymous joyce said...

Shame on these dishonest "pornolists" and their "fauxtograhers".

11:39 pm  
Blogger Grimer said...

DFH,

I've uploaded a copy of this video to YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZTAsnUN-tk

She was also let loose on the BBC again today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df04G8jbJEs

11:40 pm  
Anonymous levelheads said...

so what you saying is the photos of the streets are perfect, no rubble, children playing in the streets, an idyllic scene!

Just to point out that this is the same reporter, the first western journalist, to uncover concentration camps in Bosnia, and yet the world still stood by and turned a blind eye to the atrocities...

Maybe she was making that up as well,
Nothing happened there either, Yugoslavia is alive and well

11:45 pm  
Blogger behaimah said...

Uh, i don't really have an "anti-BBC agenda".

I’m actually quite impartial (Which is exactly what I’d like the BBC to be.). However, considering my taxes and my ridiculous licence fee keeps them open, I should be allowed to have at least some say.

Perhaps, you read the post as an isolated incident. Perhaps, you don’t have the luxury of viewing Ms Guerin’s work in its entirety. Perhaps, your ‘perspective’ is the same as the reporters. But surely, no halfway intelligent person could deny the fact that all MSM across the political spectrum, skew editorial bent a direction. This is both undeniable and yet acceptable, considering they are commercial entities trying to appeal to a market demographic. However, surely ‘State’ funded MSMs should be the very picture of fair, balanced and completely objective journalism. That’s what we’re all querying.

We’re sorry if posing these questions is absurd to you. We’re sorry that we questioned the obvious Photoshopping and staging of photos. And above all, we’re sorry we don’t swallow everything on face value. After all, ignorance is bliss.

11:58 pm  
Blogger DFH said...

What a weak argument "ceci n'est pas mon nom". Guerin says the town has been "wiped out" and goes on to state that "7,000 people used to live here." How many of them do you suppose have homes in the suburbs, houses to which they can now return? A fair few, eh? However, from Guerin's report one gets the impression that everything is wasteland. This is dishonest, plain and simple. And on the back of this dishonesty she makes some not very subtle noises about Israeli war crimes. That’s some pretty serious shit right there. Don’t agree? Tough.

"levelheads" - take your straw men elsewhere. Guerin has been caught out. If you don't like it go and cry somewhere else.

Grimer - many thanks. I've already added a link.

12:13 am  
Blogger Grimer said...

No worries. I'm recording the 6 and 10 o-clock news every day and also Newsnight.

I don't have time to encode everything and upload it all, so I tend to concentrate on Newsnight.

If you have any requests for clips, send me an e-mail at YouTube and I'll happily sort one out.

12:38 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real worry about minimizing Israeli and US military strength is that it will eventually force us to wage total war.

We won't be politically correct, we won't hold back. Giving this kind of false impression to muslims in the middle east is going to lead them to make the horrible mistake of thinking they can actually win.

12:59 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the fact that much of the damage was caused by Hezbollah? There were multiple reports of Hezbollah firing their anti-tank missiles into the houses where Israeli soldiers were located. I wonder how much of the destruction was from hezbollah?

1:09 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the fact that much of the damage was caused by Hezbollah? There were multiple reports of Hezbollah firing their anti-tank missiles into the houses where Israeli soldiers were located. I wonder how much of the destruction was from hezbollah?

1:09 am  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

congrats DFH - i just noticed that you've made the front page of LGF

great seeing British blogs starting to make waves. well done mate.

1:30 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fired ? She should be jailed !

1:33 am  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

"We won't be politically correct, we won't hold back. Giving this kind of false impression to muslims in the middle east is going to lead them to make the horrible mistake of thinking they can actually win."

i totally agree. when you compare the past month with other historic wars, it was no more than a skirmish.

but , if the islamists want to believe that they "won" this current war, then great - let them celebrate. for the more cocky they are, the more their guard will be down.

and *then* the very big guns come out to deal with them.
make my words - this aint over yet.

remember Sun Tzu's dictum - "all wars are deception".
i'll say no more - but you can figure out what i'm on about.

1:34 am  
Blogger Verm said...

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1:37 am  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

dagenham dave -"Still, in those days the BBC did propaganda for the good guys, not the Nazis.
10:00 PM "

and in those days, it was a crime to be propagandising for the enemy. it was classed as treason.

guerin is our modern day Lord Haw Haw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_haw_haw

and the crazy thing is - i'm funding this , through my license fee.

Mr Blair - if you really want to tackle the growth of Islamic fundementalism amongst british Muslim youth , please do this - privatise the BBC. pronto.

1:46 am  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

"rkjfyoung said...
How thoroughly destroyed do you pro-Israelis like your towns to be then? Remember Lidice? Remember Glane-sur-Oradour?"

so you are saying that the IDF walked into Lebanese villages, rounded up the civilians and then killed them?
where is your evidence for that?

do you even realise what you are saying? there is a big fucking difference between launching a laser guided bomb and hitting civillians by mistake, versus rounding up everyone on purpose and killing them all , on purpose.

1:55 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In your rush to damn Guerin, you neglected to check your facts. The report clearly showed a destroyed urban environment, and suggested that 7,000 people's homes had been ruined. That a suburb of the town, visible across a river hadn't been hit as badly is pretty much irrelevent. Bint Jbeil has a population of circa 30,000, so the destruction of the urban centre would probably account for those 7,000 made homeless by the attack on the city.

And please... She didn't ponder on the provenence of the anti-tank weapons? When did Orla Guerin become expert in identifying the source of bazookas? Spare me this nonsense.

Guerin reports on the impact on this town, on the local sentiment towards Hizbullah, and does so in an impartial manner. She wasn't there to cover Israel's reaction, but that of the southern Lebanese. Does anyone dispute that she got the gist of their feelings and communicated them clearly?

2:36 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anti-tank gun mentioned. I saw that on the telly, it appears to be a truck mounted recoilless rifle. Probably of soviet origin but maybe US. The unused rounds on the ground look consistent with that. As to its actual origin, how it came to be there exactly, who knows? Its probably passed through many hands over the years, bought, sold, captured & stolen. It wont have a convenient "property of Iranian govt" stencil on it. Orla wouldnt give it a thought anyway, the details of who made it, sold it, bought it, paid for it, operated it, how it came to be there that particular day or its tactical uses are all irrelevant - after all, shes a journalist, she doesnt have to worry about stuff like that!

Lurker

3:19 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Orla mention in her report from Bint Jbeil the reasons why the Israelis were fighting there?

Did she mention that in the early days of the conflict, hundreds of katyushas were fired from inside Bint Jbeil indiscriminately towards populated areas of Northern Israel?

Did she reserve any of her hysteria for the two little Israeli Arab children of Nazareth who were murdered by katyushas probably fired from Bint Jbeil?

She might have been busted for lying or being just plain careless with the truth but her biggest crime is that her entire report was nothing less than another of her blood libels against the Israeli people.

She deserves all of the condmnation that she's getting for her shameful report.

Wilbur

3:52 am  
Anonymous ddwoa said...

Here in the south of Lebanon no-one doubts that Hezbollah won this war... (they) told me that they’d had to live as refugees for a month but Hezbollah had made them proud... In a month of fighting, Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah - probably not how its ally the United States expected things to turn out. For George Bush this is a bad chapter in the war on terror... To many here and in the Arab world Hezbollah are covered in glory...”

Did she estimate how many more Hezbollah victories it would take before Lebanon was completely destroyed?

4:18 am  
Anonymous Phil S. said...

A ruin ogler -- what an awesome anagram! May I share one that I created?

Adnan Hajj from inside Reuters, Inc.

rearranges to:

Man "errs" for jihad. End an injustice!

4:31 am  
Blogger saus | hashmonean.com said...

And here I thought all the British Rock Stars were dead!?

You my friend are a ROCK STAR!

5:22 am  
Blogger English kaffir. said...

have you told these guys yet.

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

6:35 am  
Blogger Cecil Paul said...

I am not sure if putting any financial hurt on BBC would be meaningful, but I suspect our tax-funded public broadcasting outlets in the States are its biggest customer outside the UK. Maybe that's where we should apply some pressure.

6:49 am  
Blogger ivrydov said...

I don't understand a word of Arabic, but just from the pictures and the tone and the fact they did extensive reporting from Israel, I got the impression that Aljezeera was far more fair and balanced than the BBC, which for long stretches appeared to be nothing more than the English-language service of the Hezbollah. They were actually kicked off cable networks here in Israel in 2002 and boycotted by the government for engaging in chronic and blatant anti-Semitic incitement, but were restored to community of journalism sometime after that. I think that was a mistake. The BBC is a disgrace to the journalistic profession.

10:47 am  
Blogger jonz said...

DFH this superb. I want what you're drinking!

10:52 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Complain here:

http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_customer_feedback.asp?pageid=2011

11:35 am  
Anonymous Michael Oakeshott said...

This is brilliant work, showing Guerin to be the lying bitch we all knew her to be. I shall call regularly on this blog from now on. I suggest you send this to the Beeb. Their inaction will clarify their complicity in this lie. Let's hope Israel get another chance soon to finish of the Hezbollah murderers.

1:26 pm  
Anonymous RealityCheck said...

Umm small detail, Bint Jbeil is surrounded by villages and is a specific area so the report is correct and Bint Jbeil was destroyed. It is if Manhattan was destroyed and you saw video of Jersey. Different places.

Correction please....

3:56 pm  
Anonymous lurker jr. said...

"I haven’t seen a single building that isn't damaged in some way."


Correction Please?

4:25 pm  
Blogger UK Daily Pundit said...

If a correction is due from anyone it's due from Guering and the BBC.

5:58 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its funny when you think Hezbollah are seen to have won a great victory though theyve been shagged up the arse in every possible way. So why is it a victory? Because for Hezbollah's supporters its presented to them as a victory by the MSM. And who tells us that its seen this way? The MSM! Its like a paradox in a time travel story.

6:26 pm  
Anonymous Deepdiver said...

Excellent piece of work DFH. Guerin really ought to be taken to task for this pathetic work.

She gives bias a good name.

6:40 pm  
Blogger unhooked david said...

OK, so enough talk. How do we get her sacked from "Al BBC"? Reuters proves that it can be done, though the BBC is far more arrogant and unaccountable. The options seem to be:
1) get this story onto the radar of the major blogs to a point where the MSM can't ignore it
2) complaining to the BBC
3) legal action - any lawyers out there who can say whether the BBc has breached the terms of its charter
4) an imaginative form of protest.

8:10 pm  
Blogger beervolcano said...

Uh,

I'm really straining to see where she was lying. Her words and the otehr guy's words don't really contradict each other.

Does virtually untouched mean really untouched? She said that SHE COULDN'T FIND a building that didn't have SOME damage.

The other guy said that the center of town was "destroyed on a really wholesale scale," but that the SUBURBS were PRETTY MUCH untouched.

The town is not the suburbs.

No matter what. From the images and the video, that place got wasted.

And why are you trying so hard to compare the two camera angles? Both show a totally f'd up place. Neither angle looks better or worse than the other to me.

This is silly.

1:18 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This idea of journalists being some sort of transnational "disinterested observer" during a time of war was created by the those who's loyalties were firmly with the radical left during the '60s. It was a lie then and its a lie now. When your nation is at war, there is no such thing as a viable personal choice to be "neutral".

Treason has become trendy and the industry of journalism, as a whole, is guilty.

8:00 am  
Anonymous the humpty dance ! said...

this war is a victory for the americans and a defeat for israel. the desired outcome was acheived.

--------------------------------------

Of course it's a mess, it's a fucking war!!! We bombed 44,000 French civilians to death in the conquest of Normandy in 1944 and they were on our side( allegedly) At least the Nazis had the guts to fight like men and not hide behind women and children.

Still, in those days the BBC did propaganda for the good guys, not the Nazis.


ahhh, so media bias is ok if the bias suits your veiws? i thought as much.

9:00 am  
Anonymous Demosthenes said...

I have been watching Orla Guerin's farce for the BBC for the better part of the last decade. It would be a misnomer to call her 'biased' against Israel, this woman rants and raves like a rabid bitch in each and every one of her so called reports. That her feelings for the Pali-Arabists go a lot more than sympathy is evident as she was the BBC correspondent who cried while reporting Arafat's funeral from the Muqata. Sympathy or empathy for a so called 'cause' however, can in no way condone compromising journalistic objectivity and blatant attempts to serve as a propaganda mouthpiece to Islamo-fascists like Hamas and Hezbollah.

That apart,I have always felt that the Israeli's were awful media managers and often their spokespersons were never able to articulate themselves with the media even during live interviews which would give them a chance to directly reach out to the viewers and if necessary, undermine the entire the credibility of the manifestly biased reports.

Moreover, there is a collective failure on the part of the Israeli admiinistration to penalise such media outlets. Just two years ago there was a blanket ban by the Israeli government on any of it's personnel speaking to the BBC, citing the BBC's anti-semetic bias. The strategy was one of the catalysts that led to the public enquiry in Britain on the BBC bias(although the inexplicable conclusions of that enquiry is perplexing to say the least)and at one point in time the BBC World Service International Affairs Editor Brian Hanarhan, once explaining that the Israelis had once again denied the BBC's request for an official Israeli response as "unfortunate". Why such a step was later withdrawn is something that the Israeli administration can alone answer for.

Furthermore, the various Israeli governments over the years have failed to ask the respective media organizations to recall such obviously biased personnel. I am told that the Israelis are paranoid about any such move being portrayed as an example of the lack of press freedom in Israel. That being the case I don't think that there should be any hope for a positive outcome so far as any move to weed out the latent anti-semetic bias of the BBC.

12:32 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's about time there was some bias in the other direction. The way the British media has been reporting this 'war' (Sorry, that should be Jewish invasion shouldn't it...?) you'd think that we were part of Israel and all of our media were controlled by the Israeli media.

This whole episode has made me sick to my stomach and while I don't condone 'creative journalism', It's not anti-semitic or anti-american to report an alternative to the usual "Israel is so hard-done-by" rubbish!

1:28 pm  
Blogger c. sydow said...

i don`t get the point. in both reports you can see the enormous destruction in the streets of bint jbeil, wehre in fact no house is without damage. in both reports you see dead people, that apparently haven`t been hizbollah fighters.

how would you comment on a journalist walking to haifa saying: "oh there arent too many destroyed houses here. i dont know what the israelis are crying about." ?

Mail from Beqaa/Lebanon

3:15 pm  
Anonymous Demosthenes said...

Heres how to get such stinking stables like BBC cleared of Islamo-fascist admirers like Orla Guerin:

1. These and other blogs run by people sharing similar views should conduct a concerted campaign against MSM outfits who have adopted dhimmitude and by extension anti-semitism and rejection of democratic values and principles as an article of faith.
LGFs concerted attempts and its success are pointers to how the blogosphere can shape more opinions more than any other media ever.

2. Those living in the U.S./U.K. should write to their respective parliamentary/house committees to conduct a public inquiry into how such cynical forces have usurped institutions which have important roles to play in shaping public opinion in the war against Islamo-fascism.

The BBC are past masters in skirting their own norms regarding journalistic probity and any internal inquiry would come out not only clearing the culprits of any inpropriety, but would go on to dwell on their actions as shining examples of journalistic probity. Hence the need of the hour would be for every right minded Briton to demand a clean up, failing which the BBC should be made to fend for itself and not on public money which would be productively deployed elsewhere.

3. Lawyers, Media managers, publicists and lobbyists should pool their resources to present a credible indictment of how the MSM outfits have been consistently providing lip-service and have often functioned as propaganda machines to Islamo-fascists.

4. If inspite of all this the MSM continues in it's dance of death to the tune of Islamo-fascists a concerted campaign should be organized wherein advertistment revenues to the MSM are targetted and advertisers made aware of the potential fall-out for their product in terms of lost consumer confidence, by associating and thereby abetting the cynical agenda of these outfits.

Any step taken in this regard would go a long way in proving a deterrent for such callous abuse of the free press for propaganda purposes.

3:58 pm  
Anonymous discombobulated said...

I think she is just bitter because the word orla means foreskin in hebrew

9:33 pm  
Anonymous cba said...

she was the BBC correspondent who cried while reporting Arafat's funeral from the Muqata

Actually, that was another BBC anti-Israel harridan, Barbara Plett (who also reports for the CBC in Canada).

The Ceeb is like the Beeb's little brother.

3:17 am  
Blogger Wilbur Post said...

"She wasn't there to cover Israel's reaction, but that of the southern Lebanese. Does anyone dispute that she got the gist of their feelings and communicated them clearly?"

Bullshit - she communicated her own feelings and reported from one single solitary perspective without allowing Israel a right of reply to her indignant accusations of criminality on its part.

That's the last thing I want from a journalist reporting on the events on the ground.

8:45 am  
Blogger Jez said...

"Treason has become trendy and the industry of journalism, as a whole, is guilty."

And

"I am told that the Israelis are paranoid about any such move being portrayed as an example of the lack of press freedom in Israel. That being the case I don't think that there should be any hope for a positive outcome so far as any move to weed out the latent anti-semetic bias of the BBC."

This shows us all we need to know about Israeli and pro-Israeli propaganda tactics. Equating anti-Israeli sentiments with Antisemitism. That is sick. It is a total lack of respect for those who died in the Holocaust or who, like my own Grandmother, fled the Nazis. Furthermore, the idea, that journalists should follow national interests or that a government should be able to influence a media outlet makes a mockery of journalism and democracy.
The idea, that the main stream media is biased against Israel (or the US) is laughable at best.
Watch this

I don't expect to convince the vast majority of Israeli spokespeople on this blog, but I call on everyone to take the time to watch this in full, and then to comment if you wish to.

8:51 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Hasbara hordes all gathered in one place!

Giyus a job.

7:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In your rush to damn Guerin, you neglected to check your facts. The report clearly showed a destroyed urban environment, and suggested that 7,000 people's homes had been ruined. That a suburb of the town, visible across a river hadn't been hit as badly is pretty much irrelevent. Bint Jbeil has a population of circa 30,000, so the destruction of the urban centre would probably account for those 7,000 made homeless by the attack on the city."

Or perhaps it was Ms. Guerin who forgot to check the facts ...?

10:25 pm  
Blogger Gulliver_on_Tour said...

The Beeb pulled the same swifty over Jenin. While its reporters tried to give the impression that most of the city was destroyed by the IDF, the truth was that only a small part of the refugee camp was attacked and destroyed - the part where they manufactured the suicide bombs (a fact ignored by the Beeb altogether).

Same thing here - the IDF destroyed the Hezbollah command and control centre at Bint Jbeil(another fact ignored by Orla and the Beeb altogether).

9:52 am  
Blogger Soreofhing said...

You are right Jez, any criticism of Israel is always quashed with the war cry of "anti semitism" by the Israelis and their aplogists.

Orla Guerin is a hardhitting well respected cotrrespodent who has won many awards for her reporting and doesn't cave in to Israeli and US pressure to shut her mouth.

I look forward to seeing much more of Orla and hope she returns to the Middle East to continue her reporting.

5:56 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many people are raising antisemitism here soreofhing?

That's just a furphy put in by people who want to deflect from the real points made in an argument.

Try addressing the allegations of Guerin's bias without bringing up your red herrings.

6:30 am  
Anonymous Retired and Angry said...

Can anyone confirm that Orla Guerin is the daughter of a convicted female IRA terrorist? The IRA were large purchasers of arms from Arab states and were involved in training terrorists.

6:01 pm  
Blogger -A. said...

SBS in Australia aired the Guerin report, and almost four months later issued this 'clarification':

World News Australia (15/8/2006)
On August 15, 2006, World News Australia carried a report on destruction in the town of Bint Jbeil in Southern Lebanon during the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict.
The report stated that "this town has really been wiped out."

The centre of the town did suffer extensive damage and could be said to have been "wiped out" but some areas of the town suffered less damage.
A subsequent bulletin of the United Nations Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs states that "1,200 houses out of 1,500 were destroyed in Bint Jbeil"

You can catch it here - http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/clarif.php - before it disappears into the ether.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like looking at her ass in tight jeans.I have had a few Irish women and I can tell you that they are hot!The BBC should be contacted instatntly and told to show more ass shots of Orla Guerin in tight jeans...

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