Friday, June 09, 2006

The flag "brings shame" to England

Faisal Bodi over at the Guardian:
Just for the record, a red cross won't be flapping out of my car during the World Cup. And that's not only because the damned thing is too closely associated with the far right.

The cross, and the three lions for that matter, are Christian symbols, adopted by the crusaders for a historical episode that not only brought immense suffering to Muslims and eastern Christians alike, but which created the jaundiced lens through which much of the west would view Islam down the centuries.

I'm not saying I'll be cheering for Iran or Saudi Arabia. I will be shouting for England. But like many British Muslims it'll be without any of the paraphernalia that brings shame to my country.
This comment by 'SpeakerToAnimals1' in response:
Fair enough - don't fly the flag.

Each to his own.

I won't be strapping a bomb to myself.


Blogger Malcolm said...

The Cross was a Christian symbol well before the Crusades, the Three Lions was a Crusader symbol used by Richard Lionheart.
So I'll be wearing Three Lions from now on.

4:32 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's fine Faisal Bodi. It's not your flag and never will be. You don't qualify.

- Anonymousette

4:41 pm  
Blogger Grumpy Troll said...

Should the post's title not be Faisal Bodi brings shame to England?

5:07 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can he bring shame to England when he's nothing to do with us? That's like saying Victoria Beckham brings shame to the Inuit. It's a complete disconnect.

- Anonymousette

5:10 pm  
Anonymous Clematis Fraud said...

Very childish man.

The Islamic crescent has some pretty unsavoury connections too. So does the Koran. Unspeakable acts have been committed in the name of both. Indeed, one does not have to look back as far as the Crusades - try yesterday - to find atrocities which have been committed in the name of Islam - indeed the perpetrators have invoked the Koran when justifying their deeds.

I wonder if Mr Bodi is similarly ashamed? I would be if I were him.

5:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who refers to someone's national flag as "the damn thing" is not - how shall I say? - a sensitive person.

And Bodi says, slyly, presenting it as a matter of fact, that "the damn thing is too closely associated with the far right". The BNP seems to be about as far left as you can go, as far as I can see. They're practically communist. Like Hitler's National Socialist party. Another very far left philosophy being busily respun by lefty idiots trying to tar the right. It's either intentional or it's ignorance. Either way, their thoughts are irrelevant.

- Anonymousette

6:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what flag was waved by those Moorish tourists at Poitiers or by those Turkish tourists at Vienna? Apparently they were not welcomed by their hosts. Perhaps we could adopt one of those flags as an act of solidarity. Can anyone help me identify some common elements?

10:24 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With respect, anonymous, I don't need "solidarity" with the fine folks at the gates of Vienna or Poitiers, although they certainly have my sympathy. But the cross of St George does me just fine, and by extension, the Union flag.

Hopefully, Mr Bodi, will be fair to himself and fly a flag with a crescent moon on his car for the big match. He can expect this to go over very excitingly with England fans, many of whom lack Faisel Bodi's exquisite cultural insights.

- Anonymousette

11:11 pm  
Anonymous Rog said...

Or alternatively, they could simply fuck off to a country that doesn't have an "offensive" flag and has all the Islamic ideals they could wish for.

Bloody Guardian types. Total wankers.

2:43 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

rog - Well said. I hear there's a country called Pakistan where female genital mutilation, forced marriages to first cousins (themselves the product of a first cousin marriage back into antquity) which produce a huge percentage of birth defects, and where women have to wear table cloths on their heads. I'm sure they have room in the ancestral tribal lands for some pious returnees. Likewise, Saudi Arabia retains the proper attitude to women: portable property wrapped in a felt tablecloth. And it's huge! Plenty of room for large families. The whole of the Magreb is full of like-minded people. Bangladesh. Yemen. Gosh, the choice is limitless.

- Anonymousette

And they don't need to "immigrate" as all those places are not countries but the Nation of Islam - Dar-es-Salaam - of which all Islamoloonies are automatically citizens.

1:53 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me correct you last anonymous.

And they don't need to "immigrate" as all those places are not countries but the Nation of Islam - Dar-es-Salaam - of which all Islamoloonies are automatically citizens

In fact this is not the case. Muslims who go to work and live in Saudi cannot become citizens. This right is reserved for only certain Arab tribes. If you doubt this find an Egyptian who has worked in Saudi and ask him (it will never be a she) what he thinks about the Saudis. You may also consider other Arab nations. In UAE, a non citizen is welcomed providing they have a job. They will never become citizens. I worked there with a Pakistani-Briton who was born and raised in London. He knew that he would never be able to achieve citizenship. He to told me the following story which nicely illustrates the bonhomie amongst the chosen people.

A job interview took place. The Abu Dhabi Arab (in his tribal costume) together with two non Arab colleagues (one Muslim (our story teller), one Hindu) interviewed some prospective employees. One candidate came from Saudi and foolishly chose to wear his traditional Arab tribal costume. Our local UAE Arab refused to speak to him - it seems that only only UAE citizens are permitted to wear traditional costumes for work. This was no law, more a convention - since he was not a citizen, he should have worn, say, Western clothes. Moreover despite not speaking directly to the Saudi, our local Arab, then told his two co-interviewers, "Tell that piece of shit to get out of my sight".

You might also recall that many Palestinians have lived for generations outside Mandate territory. eg. Kuwait. Note how they do not become one with their new neighbours.

6:05 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aononmyous - I don't doubt what you say is correct. At the same time I don't care.

It is not our problem to worry about their citizenship status once they leave Britain. They can immigrate to somewhere in Dar-es-Salaam and get out of our hair, even if they can't vote there. That's all I care about. They can live contentedly under their Dark Ages shariah, beheadings, multiple marriages, genital mutilation, chopping off of hands and putting out of eyes, hanging of homosexuals and women who were silly enough to get raped, wives(s) following two steps behind swathed in sheets and pillowcases, arranged marriages, slave trading and money for brides.

This medieval garbage is what they are trying to bring to the advanced, civilised West. They will be less discontented in their own milieu, even if they can't wear their thobes of choice.

8:13 pm  
Blogger Grumpy Troll said...

Could Islam not find its equal in times preceding the Athenian democracy and the Christian era? Calling Islam a mediaeval religion is too generous.

Anonymousette, are you interested in a four-pieces swimming suit?

12:22 pm  
Blogger Brad said...

I'll never understand how the crusades can be mentioned without bringing up what sparked them. It's just so convenient.

4:00 pm  
Blogger Grumpy Troll said...

It is like blaming World War II on the British but left-wingers would not say that because they wish to dissociate themselves from the Nazis despite the latter also being left-wingers.

5:12 pm  
Blogger Charles Martel said...

Simple answer for Mr Bodi - go live in a country which doesnt have the Cross of St George as its national symbol.

12:20 am  

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